diff --git a/example/createdestroy/README.md b/example/createdestroy/README.md
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..a5caaf3
--- /dev/null
+++ b/example/createdestroy/README.md
@@ -0,0 +1,20 @@
+# pvDatabaseCPP/example/createdestroy
+
+This is an example that:
+
+1) Gets the master PVDatabase
+2) Create ChannelProviderLocal
+3) Creates a ServerContext
+
+Then it executes a forever loop that:
+
+1) creates a pvRecord and adds it to the pvDatabase.
+2) creates a pvac::ClientProvider
+3) creates a pvac::ClientChannel
+4) creates a monitor on the channel
+5) runs a loop 10 times that: does a put to the channel, and then gets the data for any outstanding monitors
+6) removes the pvRecord from the pvDatabase
+
+It also has options to set trace level for the pvRecord and to periodically pause by asking for input.
+
+
diff --git a/example/createdestroy/createdestroy.cpp b/example/createdestroy/createdestroy.cpp
index 4d546c2..c4f47be 100644
--- a/example/createdestroy/createdestroy.cpp
+++ b/example/createdestroy/createdestroy.cpp
@@ -1,13 +1,15 @@
 /******************************************************************************
 * This is modeled after a test program created by Bertrand Bauvir from the ITER Organization
 ******************************************************************************/
-
+#include <iostream>
+#include <epicsGetopt.h>
 
 #include <pv/pvData.h>
 #include <pv/pvDatabase.h>
 #include <pv/serverContext.h>
 #include <pv/channelProviderLocal.h>
 #include <pva/client.h>
+#include <epicsEvent.h>
 
 // Local header files
 
@@ -17,12 +19,9 @@
 
 using std::tr1::static_pointer_cast;
 
-// Type definition
-
 class Record : public ::epics::pvDatabase::PVRecord
 {
-
-  public:
+public:
     std::shared_ptr<::epics::pvData::PVStructure> __pv;
     static std::shared_ptr<Record> create (std::string const & name, std::shared_ptr<::epics::pvData::PVStructure> const & pvstruct);
     Record (std::string const & name, std::shared_ptr<epics::pvData::PVStructure> const & pvstruct)
@@ -32,14 +31,10 @@ class Record : public ::epics::pvDatabase::PVRecord
 
 std::shared_ptr<Record> Record::create (std::string const & name, std::shared_ptr<::epics::pvData::PVStructure> const & pvstruct) 
 { 
-
   std::shared_ptr<Record> pvrecord (new Record (name, pvstruct)); 
-  
   // Need to be explicitly called .. not part of the base constructor
   if(!pvrecord->init()) pvrecord.reset();
-
   return pvrecord; 
-
 }
 
 void Record::process (void)
@@ -47,24 +42,85 @@ void Record::process (void)
   PVRecord::process();
   std::string name = this->getRecordName();
   std::cout << this->getRecordName()
-            << this->getPVStructure()
-            << "\n";
+            << " process\n";
+}
+
+class MyMonitor
+{
+private:
+    std::tr1::shared_ptr<::pvac::MonitorSync> monitor;
+    MyMonitor(std::tr1::shared_ptr<::pvac::ClientChannel> const &channel)
+    {
+         monitor = std::tr1::shared_ptr<::pvac::MonitorSync>(new ::pvac::MonitorSync(channel->monitor()));
+    }
+public:
+    static std::tr1::shared_ptr<MyMonitor> create(std::tr1::shared_ptr<::pvac::ClientChannel> const &channel)
+    {
+         return std::tr1::shared_ptr<MyMonitor>(new MyMonitor(channel));
+    }
+    void getData();
+};
+
+void MyMonitor::getData()
+{
+    while (true) {
+       if(!monitor->wait(.001)) break;
+       switch(monitor->event.event) {
+            case pvac::MonitorEvent::Fail:
+                std::cerr<<monitor->name()<<" : Error : "<<monitor->event.message<<"\n";
+                return;
+            case pvac::MonitorEvent::Cancel:
+                std::cout<<monitor->name()<<" <Cancel>\n";
+                return;
+            case pvac::MonitorEvent::Disconnect:
+                std::cout<<monitor->name()<<" <Disconnect>\n";
+                return;
+            case pvac::MonitorEvent::Data:
+                while(monitor->poll()) {
+                    std::cout<<monitor->name()<<" : "<<monitor->root;
+                }
+                if(monitor->complete()) {
+                   return;
+                }
+        }
+    }
 }
 
 
 int main (int argc, char** argv) 
 {
-  bool verbose = false;
+  int verbose = 0;
   unsigned loopctr = 0;
+  unsigned pausectr = 0;
+  bool allowExit = false;
+    int opt;
+    while((opt = getopt(argc, argv, "v:ah")) != -1) {
+        switch(opt) {
+            case 'v':
+               verbose = std::stoi(optarg);
+               break;
+            case 'a' :
+               allowExit = true;
+               break;
+            case 'h':
+             std::cout << " -v level -a -h \n";
+             std::cout << "default\n";
+             std::cout << "-v " << verbose
+                  << " -a  false" 
+                  << "\n";           
+                return 0;
+            default:
+                std::cerr<<"Unknown argument: "<<opt<<"\n";
+                return -1;
+        }
+    }
 
-  // Create PVA context
   ::epics::pvDatabase::PVDatabasePtr master = epics::pvDatabase::PVDatabase::getMaster();
   ::epics::pvDatabase::ChannelProviderLocalPtr channelProvider = epics::pvDatabase::getChannelProviderLocal();
-
-  // Start PVA server
-  epics::pvAccess::ServerContext::shared_pointer context = epics::pvAccess::startPVAServer(epics::pvAccess::PVACCESS_ALL_PROVIDERS, 0, true, true);
-
-
+  epics::pvAccess::ServerContext::shared_pointer context 
+      = epics::pvAccess::startPVAServer(epics::pvAccess::PVACCESS_ALL_PROVIDERS, 0, true, true);
+  std::string startset("starting set of puts valuectr = ");
+  
   while (true) {
       loopctr++;
       std::string name = DEFAULT_RECORD_NAME + std::to_string(loopctr);
@@ -73,22 +129,35 @@ int main (int argc, char** argv)
       // Create record structure
       ::epics::pvData::FieldBuilderPtr builder = epics::pvData::getFieldCreate()->createFieldBuilder();
       builder->add("value", ::epics::pvData::pvULong);
-      std::shared_ptr<::epics::pvData::PVStructure> pvstruct = ::epics::pvData::getPVDataCreate()->createPVStructure(builder->createStructure());
+      std::shared_ptr<::epics::pvData::PVStructure> pvstruct 
+          = ::epics::pvData::getPVDataCreate()->createPVStructure(builder->createStructure());
       std::shared_ptr<Record> pvrecord = Record::create(std::string(name), pvstruct);
       master->addRecord(pvrecord);
-      if (verbose) pvrecord->setTraceLevel(3);
+      pvrecord->setTraceLevel(verbose);
       // Start PVA (local) client
       std::tr1::shared_ptr<::pvac::ClientProvider> provider
           = std::tr1::shared_ptr<::pvac::ClientProvider>(new ::pvac::ClientProvider ("pva"));
       std::tr1::shared_ptr<::pvac::ClientChannel> channel
           = std::tr1::shared_ptr<::pvac::ClientChannel>(new ::pvac::ClientChannel (provider->connect(name)));
-      builder = epics::pvData::getFieldCreate()->createFieldBuilder();
-          builder->add("value", ::epics::pvData::pvULong);
-          std::shared_ptr<::epics::pvData::PVStructure> c_pvstruct =
-               ::epics::pvData::getPVDataCreate()->createPVStructure(builder->createStructure());
+      std::tr1::shared_ptr<MyMonitor> mymonitor = MyMonitor::create(channel);
       unsigned valuectr = loopctr;
-      for (int ind=0; ind<10; ind++) channel->put().set("value",valuectr++).exec();
-      master->removeRecord(pvrecord);
+      std::cout << startset << loopctr << "\n";
+      for (int ind=0; ind<10; ind++) {
+          channel->put().set("value",valuectr++).exec();
+          mymonitor->getData();
+      }
+      pausectr++;
+      if(allowExit && pausectr>500) {
+          pausectr = 0;
+          std::cout << "Type exit to stop: \n";
+          int c = std::cin.peek();  // peek character
+          if ( c == EOF ) continue;
+          std::string str;
+          std::getline(std::cin,str);
+          if(str.compare("exit")==0) break;
+      }
+      pvrecord->remove();
+//      master->removeRecord(pvrecord);
   }
   return (0);
 }
diff --git a/src/database/pvDatabase.cpp b/src/database/pvDatabase.cpp
index 1d3b1e0..a74119c 100644
--- a/src/database/pvDatabase.cpp
+++ b/src/database/pvDatabase.cpp
@@ -56,14 +56,6 @@ PVDatabase::PVDatabase()
 PVDatabase::~PVDatabase()
 {
     if(DEBUG_LEVEL>0) cout << "PVDatabase::~PVDatabase()\n";
-    size_t len = recordMap.size();
-    shared_vector<string> names(len);
-    PVRecordMap::iterator iter;
-    size_t i = 0;
-    for(iter = recordMap.begin(); iter!=recordMap.end(); ++iter) {
-        names[i++] = (*iter).first;
-    }
-    for(size_t i=0; i<len; ++i) removeRecord(findRecord(names[i]));
 }
 
 void PVDatabase::lock() {
@@ -100,7 +92,7 @@ bool PVDatabase::addRecord(PVRecordPtr const & record)
     return true;
 }
 
-bool PVDatabase::removeRecord(PVRecordPtr const & record)
+bool PVDatabase::removeRecord(PVRecordPtr const & record,bool callRemove)
 {
     if(record->getTraceLevel()>0) {
         cout << "PVDatabase::removeRecord " << record->getRecordName() << endl;
@@ -110,6 +102,7 @@ bool PVDatabase::removeRecord(PVRecordPtr const & record)
     PVRecordMap::iterator iter = recordMap.find(recordName);
     if(iter!=recordMap.end())  {
         PVRecordPtr pvRecord = (*iter).second;
+        if(callRemove) pvRecord->remove(false);
         recordMap.erase(iter);
         return true;
     }
diff --git a/src/database/pvRecord.cpp b/src/database/pvRecord.cpp
index 41f7c2f..ba08eb0 100644
--- a/src/database/pvRecord.cpp
+++ b/src/database/pvRecord.cpp
@@ -58,64 +58,23 @@ PVRecord::PVRecord(
 {
 }
 
-void PVRecord::notifyClients()
-{
-    {
-        epicsGuard<epics::pvData::Mutex> guard(mutex);
-        if(traceLevel>0) {
-            cout << "PVRecord::notifyClients() " << recordName 
-                 << endl;
-        }
-    }
-    pvTimeStamp.detach();
-    for(std::list<PVListenerWPtr>::iterator iter = pvListenerList.begin();
-         iter!=pvListenerList.end();
-         iter++ )
-    {
-        PVListenerPtr listener = iter->lock();
-        if(!listener) continue;
-        if(traceLevel>0) {
-            cout << "PVRecord::notifyClients() calling listener->unlisten " 
-                 << recordName << endl;
-        }
-        listener->unlisten(shared_from_this());
-    }
-    pvListenerList.clear();
-    for (std::list<PVRecordClientWPtr>::iterator iter = clientList.begin();
-         iter!=clientList.end();
-         iter++ )
-    {
-        PVRecordClientPtr client = iter->lock();
-        if(!client) continue;
-        if(traceLevel>0) {
-            cout << "PVRecord::notifyClients() calling client->detach "
-                 << recordName << endl;
-        }
-        client->detach(shared_from_this());
-    }
-    if(traceLevel>0) {
-        cout << "PVRecord::notifyClients() calling clientList.clear() " 
-             << recordName << endl;
-    }
-    clientList.clear();
-    if(traceLevel>0) {
-        cout << "PVRecord::notifyClients() returning " << recordName << endl;
-    }
-}
-
 PVRecord::~PVRecord()
 {
     if(traceLevel>0) {
         cout << "~PVRecord() " << recordName << endl;
     }
-//    notifyClients();
 }
 
-void PVRecord::remove()
+void PVRecord::remove(bool callpvDatabaseRemoveRecord)
 {
-    PVDatabasePtr pvDatabase(PVDatabase::getMaster());
-    notifyClients();
-    if(pvDatabase) pvDatabase->removeRecord(shared_from_this());
+    if(traceLevel>0) {
+            cout << "PVRecord::remove() " << recordName << endl;
+    }
+    epicsGuard<epics::pvData::Mutex> guard(mutex);
+    if(callpvDatabaseRemoveRecord) {
+        PVDatabasePtr pvDatabase(PVDatabase::getMaster());
+        if(pvDatabase) pvDatabase->removeRecord(shared_from_this(),false);
+    }
     pvTimeStamp.detach();     
     for(std::list<PVListenerWPtr>::iterator iter = pvListenerList.begin();
          iter!=pvListenerList.end();
diff --git a/src/pv/pvDatabase.h b/src/pv/pvDatabase.h
index 09e6be9..4b6ba28 100644
--- a/src/pv/pvDatabase.h
+++ b/src/pv/pvDatabase.h
@@ -97,11 +97,13 @@ public:
      *  get rid of listeners and requesters.
      *  If derived class overrides this then it must call PVRecord::remove()
      *  after it has destroyed any resorces it uses.
+     * @param callpvDatabaseRemoveRecord Should pvDatabase.removeRecord be called.
+     * Normally this is only set false by PVDatabase::removeRecord.
      */
-    virtual void remove();
+    virtual void remove(bool callpvDatabaseRemoveRecord = true);
     /**
      *  @brief Optional method for derived class.
-     *
+     * 
      * Return a service corresponding to the specified request PVStructure.
      * @param pvRequest The request PVStructure 
      * @return The corresponding service
@@ -255,7 +257,6 @@ private:
     PVRecordFieldPtr findPVRecordField(
         PVRecordStructurePtr const & pvrs,
         epics::pvData::PVFieldPtr const & pvField);
-    void notifyClients();
 
     std::string recordName;
     epics::pvData::PVStructurePtr pvStructure;
@@ -499,9 +500,11 @@ public:
     /**
      * @brief Remove a record.
      * @param record The record to remove.
+     * @param callRemove Call pvRecord->remove()
+     * Normally this is only set false by pvRecord.remove()
      * @return <b>true</b> if record was removed.
      */
-    bool removeRecord(PVRecordPtr const & record);
+    bool removeRecord(PVRecordPtr const & record,bool callRemove = true);
     /**
      * @brief Get the names of all the records in the database.
      * @return The names.
diff --git a/src/pvAccess/channelLocal.cpp b/src/pvAccess/channelLocal.cpp
index 80d1eaa..c81251a 100644
--- a/src/pvAccess/channelLocal.cpp
+++ b/src/pvAccess/channelLocal.cpp
@@ -156,10 +156,7 @@ ChannelProcessLocalPtr ChannelProcessLocal::create(
 
 ChannelProcessLocal::~ChannelProcessLocal()
 {
-    PVRecordPtr pvr(pvRecord.lock());
-    if(pvr && pvr->getTraceLevel()>0) {
-        cout << "~ChannelProcessLocal() " << pvr->getRecordName() << endl;
-    }
+//cout << "~ChannelProcessLocal()\n";
 }
 
 std::tr1::shared_ptr<Channel> ChannelProcessLocal::getChannel()
@@ -304,10 +301,7 @@ ChannelGetLocalPtr ChannelGetLocal::create(
 
 ChannelGetLocal::~ChannelGetLocal()
 {
-    PVRecordPtr pvr(pvRecord.lock());
-    if(pvr && pvr->getTraceLevel()>0) {
-        cout << "~ChannelGetLocal() " << pvr->getRecordName() << endl;
-    }
+//cout << "~ChannelGetLocal()\n";
 }
 
 std::tr1::shared_ptr<Channel> ChannelGetLocal::getChannel()
@@ -469,10 +463,7 @@ ChannelPutLocalPtr ChannelPutLocal::create(
 
 ChannelPutLocal::~ChannelPutLocal()
 {
-    PVRecordPtr pvr(pvRecord.lock());
-    if(pvr && pvr->getTraceLevel()>0) {
-        cout << "~ChannelPutLocal() " << pvr->getRecordName() << endl;
-    }
+//cout << "~ChannelPutLocal()\n";
 }
 
 std::tr1::shared_ptr<Channel> ChannelPutLocal::getChannel()
@@ -662,10 +653,7 @@ ChannelPutGetLocalPtr ChannelPutGetLocal::create(
 
 ChannelPutGetLocal::~ChannelPutGetLocal()
 {
-    PVRecordPtr pvr(pvRecord.lock());
-    if(pvr && pvr->getTraceLevel()>0) {
-        cout << "~ChannelPutGetLocal() " << pvr->getRecordName() << endl;
-    }
+//cout << "~ChannelPutGetLocal()\n";
 }
 
 std::tr1::shared_ptr<Channel> ChannelPutGetLocal::getChannel()
@@ -862,10 +850,7 @@ ChannelRPCLocalPtr ChannelRPCLocal::create(
 
 ChannelRPCLocal::~ChannelRPCLocal()
 {
-    PVRecordPtr pvr(pvRecord.lock());
-    if(pvr && pvr->getTraceLevel()>0) {
-        cout << "~ChannelRPCLocal() " << pvr->getRecordName() << endl;
-    }
+//cout << "~ChannelRPCLocal()\n";
 }
 
 std::tr1::shared_ptr<Channel> ChannelRPCLocal::getChannel()
@@ -1104,10 +1089,7 @@ ChannelArrayLocalPtr ChannelArrayLocal::create(
 
 ChannelArrayLocal::~ChannelArrayLocal()
 {
-    PVRecordPtr pvr(pvRecord.lock());
-    if(pvr && pvr->getTraceLevel()>0) {
-        cout << "~ChannelArrayLocal() " << pvr->getRecordName() << endl;
-    }
+//cout << "~ChannelArrayLocal()\n";
 }
 
 std::tr1::shared_ptr<Channel> ChannelArrayLocal::getChannel()
@@ -1261,12 +1243,7 @@ ChannelLocal::ChannelLocal(
 
 ChannelLocal::~ChannelLocal()
 {
-    PVRecordPtr pvr(pvRecord.lock());
-    if(!pvr) return;
-    if(pvr->getTraceLevel()>0)
-    {
-        cout << "~ChannelLocal()" << endl;
-    }
+// cout << "~ChannelLocal()" << endl;
 }
 
 ChannelProvider::shared_pointer ChannelLocal::getProvider()
diff --git a/src/pvAccess/monitorFactory.cpp b/src/pvAccess/monitorFactory.cpp
index 6b300a9..ed3d368 100644
--- a/src/pvAccess/monitorFactory.cpp
+++ b/src/pvAccess/monitorFactory.cpp
@@ -191,10 +191,7 @@ MonitorLocal::MonitorLocal(
 
 MonitorLocal::~MonitorLocal()
 {
-    if(pvRecord->getTraceLevel()>0)
-    {
-        cout << "MonitorLocal::~MonitorLocal()" << endl;
-    }
+//cout << "MonitorLocal::~MonitorLocal()" << endl;
 }
 
 
diff --git a/src/support/controlSupport.cpp b/src/support/controlSupport.cpp
index a45d0f2..96cbf94 100644
--- a/src/support/controlSupport.cpp
+++ b/src/support/controlSupport.cpp
@@ -29,7 +29,7 @@ namespace epics { namespace pvDatabase {
 
 ControlSupport::~ControlSupport()
 {
-cout << "ControlSupport::~ControlSupport()\n";
+//cout << "ControlSupport::~ControlSupport()\n";
 }
 
 epics::pvData::StructureConstPtr ControlSupport::controlField(ScalarType scalarType)
diff --git a/src/support/scalarAlarmSupport.cpp b/src/support/scalarAlarmSupport.cpp
index 3505c1d..7045787 100644
--- a/src/support/scalarAlarmSupport.cpp
+++ b/src/support/scalarAlarmSupport.cpp
@@ -30,7 +30,7 @@ namespace epics { namespace pvDatabase {
 
 ScalarAlarmSupport::~ScalarAlarmSupport()
 {
-cout << "ScalarAlarmSupport::~ScalarAlarmSupport()\n";
+//cout << "ScalarAlarmSupport::~ScalarAlarmSupport()\n";
 }