diff --git a/src/libCom/timer/epicsTimer.cpp b/src/libCom/timer/epicsTimer.cpp
index 19e6e0ddc..a9625654f 100644
--- a/src/libCom/timer/epicsTimer.cpp
+++ b/src/libCom/timer/epicsTimer.cpp
@@ -48,6 +48,8 @@ private:
     static epicsMutex freeListMutex;
 };
 
+epicsTimer::~epicsTimer () {}
+
 void epicsTimerNotify::show ( unsigned /* level */ ) const {}
 
 epicsTimerForC::epicsTimerForC ( timerQueue &queue, epicsTimerCallback pCBIn, void *pPrivateIn ) :
@@ -55,9 +57,13 @@ epicsTimerForC::epicsTimerForC ( timerQueue &queue, epicsTimerCallback pCBIn, vo
 {
 }
 
+epicsTimerForC::~epicsTimerForC ()
+{
+}
+
 inline void epicsTimerForC::destroy ()
 {
-    this->destroyTimerForC ( *this );
+    this->getPrivTimerQueue().destroyTimerForC ( *this );
 }
 
 epicsTimerNotify::expireStatus epicsTimerForC::expire ( const epicsTime & )
@@ -146,7 +152,7 @@ extern "C" epicsTimerId epicsShareAPI epicsTimerQueuePassiveCreateTimer (
     epicsTimerQueuePassiveId pQueue, epicsTimerCallback pCallback, void *pArg )
 {
     try {
-        return new epicsTimerForC ( pQueue->getTimerQueue (), pCallback, pArg );
+        return & pQueue->createTimerForC ( pCallback, pArg );
     }
     catch ( ... ) {
         return 0;
@@ -180,7 +186,7 @@ extern "C" epicsTimerId epicsShareAPI epicsTimerQueueCreateTimer (
     epicsTimerQueueId pQueue, epicsTimerCallback pCallback, void *pArg )
 {
     try {
-        return new epicsTimerForC ( pQueue->getTimerQueue (), pCallback, pArg );
+        return & pQueue->createTimerForC ( pCallback, pArg );
     }
     catch ( ... ) {
         return 0;
diff --git a/src/libCom/timer/epicsTimer.h b/src/libCom/timer/epicsTimer.h
index 311072d1f..a6dfe7351 100644
--- a/src/libCom/timer/epicsTimer.h
+++ b/src/libCom/timer/epicsTimer.h
@@ -57,6 +57,7 @@ public:
     virtual expireInfo getExpireInfo () const = 0;
     double getExpireDelay ();
     virtual void show ( unsigned int level ) const = 0;
+    virtual class epicsTimerQueue & getQueue () const = 0;
 protected:
     virtual ~epicsTimer (); 
 };
diff --git a/src/libCom/timer/timer.cpp b/src/libCom/timer/timer.cpp
index ecc6f300d..b541b2df9 100644
--- a/src/libCom/timer/timer.cpp
+++ b/src/libCom/timer/timer.cpp
@@ -37,11 +37,9 @@ timer::timer ( timerQueue &queueIn ) :
 {
 }
 
-void timer::destroyTimerForC ( epicsTimerForC &cTmr )
+timer::~timer ()
 {
-    epicsAutoMutex autoLock ( this->queue.mutex );
-    this->privateCancel ();
-    this->queue.cTimerfreeList.release ( &cTmr, sizeof(cTmr) );
+    this->cancel ();
 }
 
 void timer::start ( epicsTimerNotify & notify, double delaySeconds )
@@ -118,11 +116,13 @@ void timer::privateCancel ()
 {
     while ( true ) {
         if ( this->curState == statePending ) {
+	    if ( this->queue.timerList.first() == this ) {
+            	this->queue.notify.reschedule ();
+            }
             this->queue.timerList.remove ( *this );
             this->curState = stateLimbo;
             this->pNotify = 0;
         }
-        // dont wait if this was called indirectly by expire ()
         if ( this->queue.pExpireTmr == this && 
             this->queue.processThread != epicsThreadGetIdSelf() ) {
             this->queue.cancelPending = true;
@@ -138,6 +138,7 @@ void timer::privateCancel ()
             }
         }
         else {
+            // dont wait if this was called indirectly by expire ()
             return;
         }
     }
@@ -175,3 +176,14 @@ void timer::show ( unsigned int level ) const
         this->pNotify->show ( level - 1u );
     }
 }
+
+epicsTimerQueue & timer::getQueue () const
+{
+    return this->queue.getEpicsTimerQueue ();
+}
+
+timerQueue & timer::getPrivTimerQueue()
+{
+    return this->queue;
+}
+
diff --git a/src/libCom/timer/timerPrivate.h b/src/libCom/timer/timerPrivate.h
index b3ef5c8bf..bdf636af7 100644
--- a/src/libCom/timer/timerPrivate.h
+++ b/src/libCom/timer/timerPrivate.h
@@ -48,7 +48,8 @@ public:
     void cancel ();
     expireInfo getExpireInfo () const;
     void show ( unsigned int level ) const;
-    void destroyTimerForC ( epicsTimerForC & );
+    epicsTimerQueue & getQueue () const;
+    class timerQueue & getPrivTimerQueue ();
 protected:
     timer ( class timerQueue & );
     ~timer (); 
@@ -65,20 +66,21 @@ private:
 
 struct epicsTimerForC : public epicsTimerNotify, public timer {
 public:
-    epicsTimerForC ( timerQueue &, epicsTimerCallback, void *pPrivateIn );
     void destroy ();
 protected:
-    ~epicsTimerForC (); // intentionally not implemented ( see destroy )
+    epicsTimerForC ( timerQueue &, epicsTimerCallback, void *pPrivateIn );
+    ~epicsTimerForC (); 
 private:
     epicsTimerCallback pCallBack;
     void * pPrivate;
     expireStatus expire ( const epicsTime & currentTime );
+    friend class timerQueue;
 };
 
 class timerQueue {
 public:
     timerQueue ( epicsTimerQueueNotify &notify );
-    ~timerQueue ();
+    virtual ~timerQueue ();
     double process ( const epicsTime & currentTime );
     void show ( unsigned int level ) const;
     timer & createTimer ();
@@ -95,6 +97,7 @@ private:
     timer *pExpireTmr;
     epicsThreadId processThread;
     bool cancelPending;
+    virtual epicsTimerQueue & getEpicsTimerQueue () = 0;
     friend class timer;
 };
 
@@ -110,7 +113,7 @@ private:
 
 class timerQueueActive : public epicsTimerQueueActive, 
     public epicsThreadRunable, public epicsTimerQueueNotify,
-    public timerQueueActiveMgrPrivate {
+    public timerQueueActiveMgrPrivate, private timerQueue {
 public:
     timerQueueActive ( bool okToShare, unsigned priority );
     ~timerQueueActive () = 0;
@@ -119,9 +122,9 @@ public:
     void show ( unsigned int level ) const;
     bool sharingOK () const;
     int threadPriority () const;
-    timerQueue & getTimerQueue ();
+    epicsTimerForC & createTimerForC ( epicsTimerCallback, void *pPrivateIn );
+    void destroyTimerForC ( epicsTimerForC & );
 private:
-    timerQueue queue;
     epicsEvent rescheduleEvent;
     epicsEvent exitEvent;
     epicsThread thread;
@@ -130,6 +133,7 @@ private:
     bool terminateFlag;
     void run ();
     void reschedule ();
+    epicsTimerQueue & getEpicsTimerQueue ();
 };
 
 struct epicsTimerQueueActiveForC : public timerQueueActive, 
@@ -159,19 +163,19 @@ private:
 
 extern timerQueueActiveMgr queueMgr;
 
-class timerQueuePassive : public epicsTimerQueuePassive {
+class timerQueuePassive : public epicsTimerQueuePassive,
+    private timerQueue {
 public:
     timerQueuePassive ( epicsTimerQueueNotify & );
     epicsTimer & createTimer ();
     void destroyTimer ( epicsTimer & );
-    double process ( const epicsTime & currentTime );
     void show ( unsigned int level ) const;
-    void release ();
-    timerQueue & getTimerQueue ();
+    double process ( const epicsTime & currentTime );
+    epicsTimerForC & createTimerForC ( epicsTimerCallback, void *pPrivateIn );
+    void destroyTimerForC ( epicsTimerForC & );
 protected:
     ~timerQueuePassive ();
-private:
-    timerQueue queue;
+    epicsTimerQueue & getEpicsTimerQueue ();
 };
 
 inline epicsTimerForC & timerQueue::createTimerForC 
@@ -185,6 +189,12 @@ inline epicsTimerForC & timerQueue::createTimerForC
     return * new ( pBuf ) epicsTimerForC ( *this, pCB, pPriv );
 }
 
+inline void timerQueue::destroyTimerForC ( epicsTimerForC & tmr )
+{
+    tmr.~epicsTimerForC ();
+    this->cTimerfreeList.release ( &tmr, sizeof ( tmr ) );
+}
+
 inline bool timerQueueActive::sharingOK () const
 {
     return this->okToShare;
@@ -195,16 +205,6 @@ inline int timerQueueActive::threadPriority () const
     return thread.getPriority ();
 }
 
-inline timerQueue & timerQueueActive::getTimerQueue ()
-{
-    return this->queue;
-}
-
-inline timerQueue & timerQueuePassive::getTimerQueue ()
-{
-    return this->queue;
-}
-
 inline void * epicsTimerQueueActiveForC::operator new ( size_t size )
 { 
     epicsAutoMutex locker ( epicsTimerQueueActiveForC::freeListMutex );
diff --git a/src/libCom/timer/timerQueue.cpp b/src/libCom/timer/timerQueue.cpp
index db9790040..aa10c2a8d 100644
--- a/src/libCom/timer/timerQueue.cpp
+++ b/src/libCom/timer/timerQueue.cpp
@@ -166,7 +166,7 @@ timer & timerQueue::createTimer ()
 void timerQueue::destroyTimer ( timer & tmr ) 
 {
     epicsAutoMutex autoLock ( this->mutex );
-    tmr.privateCancel ();
+    tmr.~timer ();
     this->timerFreeList.release ( &tmr, sizeof( tmr ) );
 }
 
diff --git a/src/libCom/timer/timerQueueActive.cpp b/src/libCom/timer/timerQueueActive.cpp
index 40389c16e..75c543f89 100644
--- a/src/libCom/timer/timerQueueActive.cpp
+++ b/src/libCom/timer/timerQueueActive.cpp
@@ -41,7 +41,8 @@ epicsTimerQueueActive &epicsTimerQueueActive::allocate ( bool okToShare, int thr
 }
 
 timerQueueActive::timerQueueActive ( bool okToShareIn, unsigned priority ) :
-    queue ( *this ), thread ( *this, "epicsTimerQueueActive",
+    timerQueue ( static_cast <epicsTimerQueueNotify &> ( *this ) ), 
+    thread ( *this, "epicsTimerQueueActive", 
         epicsThreadGetStackSize ( epicsThreadStackMedium ), priority ),
     okToShare ( okToShareIn ), exitFlag ( false ), terminateFlag ( false )
 {
@@ -63,7 +64,7 @@ void timerQueueActive::run ()
 {
     this->exitFlag = false;
     while ( ! this->terminateFlag ) {
-        double delay = this->queue.process ( epicsTime::getCurrent() );
+        double delay = this->timerQueue::process ( epicsTime::getCurrent() );
         debugPrintf ( ( "timer thread sleeping for %g sec (max)\n", delay ) );
         this->rescheduleEvent.wait ( delay );
     }
@@ -73,13 +74,23 @@ void timerQueueActive::run ()
 
 epicsTimer & timerQueueActive::createTimer ()
 {
-    return this->queue.createTimer ();
+    return this->timerQueue::createTimer ();
 }
 
 void timerQueueActive::destroyTimer ( epicsTimer & et )
 {
     timer & tmr = dynamic_cast < timer & > ( et );
-    this->queue.destroyTimer ( tmr );
+    this->timerQueue::destroyTimer ( tmr );
+}
+
+epicsTimerForC & timerQueueActive::createTimerForC ( epicsTimerCallback pCB, void *pPrivateIn )
+{
+    return this->timerQueue::createTimerForC ( pCB, pPrivateIn );
+}
+
+void timerQueueActive::destroyTimerForC ( epicsTimerForC &tmr )
+{
+    this->timerQueue::destroyTimerForC ( tmr );
 }
 
 void timerQueueActive::reschedule ()
@@ -92,7 +103,7 @@ void timerQueueActive::show ( unsigned int level ) const
     printf ( "EPICS threaded timer queue at %p\n", 
         static_cast <const void *> ( this ) );
     if ( level >=1u ) {
-        this->queue.show ( level - 1u );
+        this->timerQueue::show ( level - 1u );
         printf ( "reschedule event\n" );
         this->rescheduleEvent.show ( level - 1u );
         printf ( "exit event\n" );
@@ -102,3 +113,9 @@ void timerQueueActive::show ( unsigned int level ) const
             this->terminateFlag ? 'T' : 'F' );
     }
 }
+
+epicsTimerQueue & timerQueueActive::getEpicsTimerQueue () 
+{
+    return static_cast < epicsTimerQueue &> ( * this );
+}
+
diff --git a/src/libCom/timer/timerQueuePassive.cpp b/src/libCom/timer/timerQueuePassive.cpp
index 8aae866b6..57b880e14 100644
--- a/src/libCom/timer/timerQueuePassive.cpp
+++ b/src/libCom/timer/timerQueuePassive.cpp
@@ -51,24 +51,34 @@ epicsTimerQueuePassive &epicsTimerQueuePassive::create ( epicsTimerQueueNotify &
 }
 
 timerQueuePassive::timerQueuePassive ( epicsTimerQueueNotify &notifyIn ) :
-    queue ( notifyIn ) {}
+    timerQueue ( notifyIn ) {}
 
 timerQueuePassive::~timerQueuePassive () {}
 
 epicsTimer & timerQueuePassive::createTimer ()
 {
-    return this->queue.createTimer ();
+    return this->timerQueue::createTimer ();
 }
 
 void timerQueuePassive::destroyTimer ( epicsTimer & et )
 {
     timer & tmr = dynamic_cast < timer & > ( et );
-    this->queue.destroyTimer ( tmr );
+    this->timerQueue::destroyTimer ( tmr );
+}
+
+epicsTimerForC & timerQueuePassive::createTimerForC ( epicsTimerCallback pCB, void *pPrivateIn )
+{
+    return this->timerQueue::createTimerForC ( pCB, pPrivateIn );
+}
+
+void timerQueuePassive::destroyTimerForC ( epicsTimerForC &tmr )
+{
+    this->timerQueue::destroyTimerForC ( tmr );
 }
 
 double timerQueuePassive::process ( const epicsTime & currentTime )
 {
-    return this->queue.process ( currentTime );
+    return this->timerQueue::process ( currentTime );
 }
 
 void timerQueuePassive::show ( unsigned int level ) const
@@ -76,6 +86,12 @@ void timerQueuePassive::show ( unsigned int level ) const
     printf ( "EPICS non-threaded timer queue at %p\n", 
         static_cast <const void *> ( this ) );
     if ( level >=1u ) {
-        this->queue.show ( level - 1u );
+        this->timerQueue::show ( level - 1u );
     }
 }
+
+epicsTimerQueue & timerQueuePassive::getEpicsTimerQueue () 
+{
+    return static_cast < epicsTimerQueue &> ( * this );
+}
+